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Walter Haugen's avatar

Mark - You are onto something and should pick up a copy of my first book, The Laws of Physics Are On My Side (2013). I use a very simple system to calculate inputs and outputs. This was an approach pioneered by the Pimentels and Robert Rodale in the 1970s. My EROI during my time as a market gardener in the US was around 2.50:1 to 3.50:1. This was achieved by using small amounts of gasoline for a walk-behnd tiller and plenty of manual labor. I am retired now and live in southern France, but my third book, Paradigms for Adaptation, came out in January 2024. This builds on my first two books. Good luck with your bees.

Walter Haugen

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Mike Roberts's avatar

Yes, the definition of sustainable is easy, though it's not what was stated here. "Sustainable" without any time qualifier (e.g. "for 10 years") means it can be sustained indefinitely. Obviously, there can be unforeseen environmental factors that can end some activity which is otherwise sustainable but we can't really do much about those.

So for something to be sustainable, it must not consume any resource beyond its renewal rate and not generate wastes into the environment beyond the rate that the environment can assimilate that waste. In terms of resources, any use of non-renewable resources renders the activity unsustainable, except where the resource is, impossibly, recycled perfectly. So it's not just renewable energy. In fact, renewable energy, as we understand it in our industrial world is not renewable because it relies on non-renewable infrastructure.

Sadly, it's not even possible to say some form of agriculture is sustainable, if it is embedded in an unsustainable society. So any inputs to the process, and any inputs to the inputs to the process need to be renewable and at a rate below the renewal rate for the inputs.

The word is certainly flung around with abandon, in situations where it makes no sense. And we often see "more sustainable" which is meaningless. At best, it means "less environmentally damaging" but still not sustainable.

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